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<DIV>Hi Gail</DIV>
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<DIV>Thanks for contributing to this thread. </DIV>
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<DIV>Just to be clear, it’s dot point 2 in the 8-10 range I’m referring to. I
suppose good, clear writing is what I’m concerned about here. Firstly, if
someone could explain to me what <STRONG>the basis of the text
</STRONG>is<STRONG>,</STRONG> why it is considered so important then maybe we
could then discuss profitable ways of teaching to it. For instance, what is the
basis of the text Cat’s Eye by Margaret Atwood? Secondly, what is
meant by an <STRONG>appropriate strategy</STRONG> and why aren't students below
the 9-10 range considered to need one, appropriate or otherwise?</DIV>
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<DIV>I don’t have any anxieties about the discrepancy rates or lack thereof,
just thinking that we need to know exactly what is going on in the language and
syntax of this descriptor. Gail’s point about students thinking they are meeting
the [wider] implications surely become an issue when no such implications are
referred to in the examination criteria.</DIV>
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<DIV>Russell</DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A
title=reynolds.gail.g@edumail.vic.gov.au
href="mailto:reynolds.gail.g@edumail.vic.gov.au">Reynolds, Gail G</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, July 10, 2012 4:57 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=english@edulists.com.au
href="mailto:english@edulists.com.au">VCE English Teachers' Mailing List</A>
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<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [English] expected qualities</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<P>Hi Russell,</P>
<P>I think the point of the phrase is that the weaker students will often go off
into tangents separating their exploration of the iissues<A></A> from the text
itself; so for example a <EM>Year of Wonders</EM> response<A></A> might
wander off into a discussion of the plague in general terms, say, how many were
killed in London, which is irrelevant<A></A> to the text which is set
(apparently) in Eyam<A></A> an isolated small village well away from
London. The student themselves may think they are meeting the wider
implications criteria, but they are not addressing the text. The phrase
which worries you is a reminder to the Assessors that these discussions need to
be in a context which has a substantial<A></A> link to the content of the text.
(Remember that these criteria are not the ones given on the exam paper but
intended for the assessors -- a process I think is somewhat duplicitous ... but
that is another issue altogether)</P>
<P> </P>
<P>You should also consider that the assessors make 'on balance' decisions in a
process which is holistic marking, ie<A></A> markers don't tick off criteria as
such, but use them as a guide for their marking. An experienced assessor will
use these criteria to differentiate scripts, but two responses may receive the
same marks although the degree to which they meet each of the stated criteria
may show greater strength in one area over another when compared one to the
other. It sounds complex, but English has a very low discrepancy<A></A>
rate (assessors disagreeing) </P>
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<P>Gail</P>
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face=Tahoma><B>From:</B> english-bounces@edulists.com.au
[english-bounces@edulists.com.au] on behalf of rdf4@bigpond.com
[rdf4@bigpond.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, 10 July 2012 11:13 AM<BR><B>To:</B>
VCE English Teachers' Mailing List<BR><B>Cc:</B>
english@edulists.com.au<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [English] expected
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<DIV>Hello Julie and thanks for your response...</DIV>
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<DIV>I don’t have an issue with the key words you identify... though I have a
nagging feeling that the phrase “ from the basis of the text” is redundant. I
mean the exam topic itself invariably refers to the text. Unless it’s
referring to something else, I don’t understand why it’s there. Also your
point about “understanding the text in the wider world”... isn't this a C&P
feature rather than a R&R one? My understanding of an R&R response is
that it deals with the world of the text, not real world elements...</DIV>
<DIV>I also wonder what is meant by “an appropriate strategy for dealing with
it” ... ie the topic; and why marks below 8 don’t need a strategy, appropriate
or otherwise. From your point of view what would such an appropriate strategy
be? Perhaps others also have thoughts on this?</DIV>
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<DIV>Thanks again,</DIV>
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<DIV>Russell</DIV>
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<DIV><B>From:</B> <A title=bookjewel6@gmail.com
href="mailto:bookjewel6@gmail.com" target=_blank>Julie</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Monday, July 09, 2012 8:50 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=english@edulists.com.au
href="mailto:english@edulists.com.au" target=_blank>VCE English Teachers'
Mailing List</A> </DIV>
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<DIV>Hi Russell,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>The key words in this description, for me, are: 'implications', 'exploring'
and 'complexity'. The thinking associated with these words is quite
sophisticated. While we hope that all students respond 'from the basis of
the text' it is usually clear that the best responses take the ideas so much
further. The basic response 'describes' the ideas in the topic while the best
response moves way beyond this and understands the text in the wider
world. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>It is hard to explain but when you see the difference in student responses
the difference is more obvious.<BR><BR>Regards,
<DIV>Julie Squires</DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR>On 09/07/2012, at 12:42 PM, <<A href="mailto:rdf4@bigpond.com"
target=_blank>rdf4@bigpond.com</A>> wrote:<BR><BR></DIV>
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<DIV>I’m looking at the 2011 Expected Qualities (Reading and Responding) for
exam markers and wonder what people understand by the term... “Demonstrates an
understanding of the implications of the topic...exploring its complexity
<STRONG>from the basis of the text</STRONG>.” I note that this expected
quality is only referred to in the 8-10 mark range. One would like to
think that most students would use the text as the basis for their response;
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<DIV><A
title=http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au/vce/studies/english/2008eng-crit-descriptors.pdf
href="http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au/vce/studies/english/2008eng-crit-descriptors.pdf"
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<DIV><B>From:</B> <A title=lorrainepaul@hotmail.com
href="mailto:lorrainepaul@hotmail.com" target=_blank>Lorraine Paul</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, July 08, 2012 7:58 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=english@edulists.com.au
href="mailto:english@edulists.com.au"
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<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [English] VCE English Teachers and
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<DIV dir=ltr><BR>Thanks Mary. I teach in an independent school. It's nice when
you have forums like this. All the best!<BR><FONT color=#1f497d><FONT
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt" size=3><FONT face="Comic Sans MS">Lorraine
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be a crt teacher or an employee in a state school.</SPAN></P>
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lang=EN-US> <A href="mailto:english-bounces@edulists.com.au"
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[mailto:english-bounces@edulists.com.au] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Lorraine
Paul<BR><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, 7 July 2012 11:15 PM<BR><B>To:</B> <A
href="mailto:english@edulists.com.au"
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2012 12:58:49 +1000<BR>From: <A
href="mailto:mcclenaghan.douglas.j@edumail.vic.gov.au"
target=_blank>mcclenaghan.douglas.j@edumail.vic.gov.au</A><BR>To: <A
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McClenaghan<BR><BR>>>> Mary Mason<<A
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teachers</SPAN></P>
<P class=ecxMsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I am working with
a group for the Department of Education on designing course materials for
Years 11 and 12 VCE English for State School Teachers. We are also working on
a site on! the Ultranet for teachers new to VCE English. This site will
provide excellent materials for teachers; provide opportunities for them to
ask questions of experienced VCE teachers; participate in a forum with other
teachers; and opportunities to access virtual discussions/lectures on aspects
of the course. We are also hopeful that there could be a forum on it for
collaborative research for VIT projects. We would like to have about 30
teachers from state schools ,who are presently teaching VCE, who would
be willing to trial and help us to build the site so it will be helpful for
teachers. Participation will count towards professional development time
and will, I think, be most interesting. If you are a CRT teacher you are
welcome to join as well. I know it is diffi! cult sometimes for you to pick up
professional development hours. Please contact me directly on my email: <A
href="mailto:mary.mason@bigpond.com" target=_blank>mary.mason@bigpond.com</A>
if you are able to participate. The trial will be in Term 3 and
will involve you loggi! ng into the site, participating in some of the
forums, and feeding back to us your comments.</SPAN></P>
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