[English] english Digest, Vol 71, Issue 2

Briscoe, Micaela J briscoe.micaela.j at edumail.vic.gov.au
Wed Mar 6 16:19:46 EST 2013


Thank you for your extensive response Gail - I can't wait to use the boy in the middle of the back row as an example!

I am intrigued by the absence of the conclusion and pleased that most of your other responses confirm what I have been teaching.

Thanks again
Micaela
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Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2013 12:20:48 +1100
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I am unsure what this email means....and if this was correctly sent to me.
Jacqui

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Subject: [English] General queries

Just wondering if I could have the following clarified, please....

1) Does a ULP conclusion just restate the issue and the contention?

2) Is it wrong to give an opinion on how well the author persuaded their readers?

3) Is there Emotive Language (stronger choice, e.g. slaughter rather than kill) AND Appeals to Emotion (a phrase) or are they the same thing?

4) Should texts (in all AOSs) be underlined rather than " "?

5) Do essays need to be written in the present tense? (Reading & Responding mainly)

Thanks
Micaela

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Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2013 01:49:24 +0000
From: Jan May <Jan.May at stleonards.vic.edu.au>
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This is an email thread for VCE English teachers. You can unsubscribe at the bottom.
ULP is Using Language to Persuade.
Looking forward to some responses, Micaela.


On 06/03/2013, at 12:35 PM, "Barton, Jacqui" <Jacqui.Barton at harpercollins.com.au<mailto:Jacqui.Barton at harpercollins.com.au>> wrote:

I am unsure what this email means?.and if this was correctly sent to me.
Jacqui

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From: english-bounces at edulists.com.au<mailto:english-bounces at edulists.com.au> [mailto:english-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Briscoe, Micaela J
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Subject: [English] General queries

Just wondering if I could have the following clarified, please....

1) Does a ULP conclusion just restate the issue and the contention?

2) Is it wrong to give an opinion on how well the author persuaded their readers?

3) Is there Emotive Language (stronger choice, e.g. slaughter rather than kill) AND Appeals to Emotion (a phrase) or are they the same thing?

4) Should texts (in all AOSs) be underlined rather than " "?

5) Do essays need to be written in the present tense? (Reading & Responding mainly)

Thanks
Micaela

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From: "Reynolds, Gail G" <reynolds.gail.g at edumail.vic.gov.au>
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From: english-bounces at edulists.com.au [english-bounces at edulists.com.au] on behalf of Briscoe, Micaela J [briscoe.micaela.j at edumail.vic.gov.au]
Sent: Wednesday, 6 March 2013 11:38 AM
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Subject: [English] General queries

Just wondering if I could have the following clarified, please....

1) Does a ULP conclusion just restate the issue and the contention?
Many students do not use a conclusion at all, and this is what I advise my students as it saves exam time (and certainly has not impacted on their marks.) The conclusions which are used often sum up the main language devices/predominant techniques etc (Have a look at the sample responses in the VCAA Examiner's reports over the years.)

2) Is it wrong to give an opinion on how well the author persuaded their readers?
(I assume you are still asking about language analysis?)To give an opinion is a misunderstanding of the task. The task is to discuss how the writer has chosen language to persuade the reader to their point of view, as soon as you give an opinion on how well (usual clich? is "clever") the writer has succeeded you are assessing the argument and not the language .

Your students need to be able to 1. indentify the device (technique) 2. find an example (quote) 3. discuss the effect on the reader and 4. perhaps discuss the result (DEER)
Here is how I delight in explaining this to my classes: I pick a resilient student whose mind may be wandering (usually middle back row!) and in a quiet voice I tell the class that I am about to illustrate how this works and then loudly exclaim "Sam what do you think you are doing!" Which immediately provokes silence as everyone looks at the "offender",I  immediately apologise and explain that no one is in trouble but this is to illustrate the point (class usually laughs at this point) -- The teacher uses a loud (Device) rhetorical question (Device) "What do you think you are doing?"(Example) to gain the student's attention (Effect) and make them behave appropriately (Result) This can of course be expressed in any logical order and you can add additional words or phrases as long as you are still discussing language choices In belligerent tone the teacher loudly exclaimed...
3) Is there Emotive Language (stronger choice, e.g. slaughter rather than kill) AND Appeals to Em'otion (a phrase) or are they the same thing? Most techniques have more than one name that can be applied to them and you should encourage students to recognise this as it avoids the essay which is stuck on one technique over and over and over -- they need command of a wide variety of terms. The question is not are they the same but can they be applied to this piece of writing -- they are not mutually exclusive!

4) Should texts (in all AOSs) be underlined rather than " "? Yes underline is standard notation

5) Do essays need to be written in the present tense? (Reading & Responding mainly) Tenses only need be appropriate for the particular task and correctly used throughout.  I know there is a school of thought that R&R should be in present tense only, but I think there are times, when discussing change for example, when it makes sense to use some past tense, especially if it fits the student's writing style. Hard and fast "rules" are not always in a students best interest,especially if they are "good writers" although I have been known to give this idea to those who struggle with tense.

Hope this helps,
Gail

Thanks
Micaela

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