<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"><base href="x-msg://63/"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><font size="4">this is a great discussion! </font><div><font size="4"><br></font></div><div><font size="4">Do we really care if every student is using the same app? same software?</font></div><div><font size="4"><br></font></div><div><font size="4">it is the learning that goes with attempting the task that is important.</font></div><div><font size="4"><br></font></div><div><font size="4">More and more I am teaching less and less about how to use software.</font></div><div><font size="4">As I say to my students - if i teach you how to use this software, buy the time you get out of school all of this learning will be COMPLETELY out of date.</font></div><div><font size="4">So instead i will teach the concepts of what it can do and I will show you how to do it in this version if you cannot figure it out your self. BUT I want you to learn how to learn software yourself.</font></div><div><font size="4">Thus when something changes or better stuff appears then you can use it by teaching your self from resources e.g. the net, the manuals, "books", 'ring a friend' etc</font></div><div><font size="4">(Having taught IDM as well) I also give credit where a student can show someone else how to use something - I call it displaying a deeper knowledge and I consciously praise for doing that.</font></div><div><font size="4"><br></font></div><div><font size="4">Learning at 'the point of need to know' or 'just in time' learning is far more purposeful and provides great incentive. </font></div><div><font size="4">Very few other subjects change so much on a yearly basis as does ours, so we get to be leaders and innovators in learning and teaching in an ever-changing environment.</font></div><div><font size="4"><br></font></div><div><font size="4">I like the resource bank concept for less financial students. I have also looked at what to do with laptops and iPads that get handed back at the end of the lease - students do not want them - and these would be able to be used in a resource bank. Less capital outlay!!</font></div><div><font size="4"><br></font></div><div><font size="4">Back to supervising two maths tests in one period - at least it makes last period on a friday more fun ; for me ;-p</font></div><div><font size="4"><br></font></div><div><font size="4"><br></font></div><div><font size="4"><br></font></div><div>Andrew</div><div><br><div apple-content-edited="true">
<div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; border-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div>Andrew Shortell</div><div>Educator</div><div>CRC Melton</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><a href="mailto:shortell@get2me.net">shortell@get2me.net</a> (This List)</div><div>@acsbear8 (twitter)</div></div></span>VITTA CoM Member</div></span><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"></div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><br class="Apple-interchange-newline">
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<br><div><div>On 07/09/2012, at 1:22 PM, WEIR Andrew <<a href="mailto:andrew.weir@thomascarr.vic.edu.au">andrew.weir@thomascarr.vic.edu.au</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div bgcolor="white" lang="EN-AU" link="blue" vlink="purple" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; "><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Lots of interesting thoughts here, for me the thought of tablets from 7-10 and laptops for VCE work is better.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">I wonder if an amalgam of BYOD and School Specified can be the best of both worlds. So for example at year 7-10 students get to use an iPad at 11-12 students are to choose between one of 3 devices Tablet, Laptop(PC or Mac)<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">I have been watching the Windows 8 Tablet discussion and am impressed with the offering from Microsoft.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">I think of bigger issue then the device is teaching staff to be multilingual platform agnostic.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">If we go to a BYOD plan how do we know that every student will use the same application to create a movie or annotated visual display.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Will staff be expected to teach students the apps first then the content.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Or should staff ask students to develop a task and use whatever tool that the student is comfortable with.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Sometimes I think application lists whilst allowing for a level playing field remove that creativity and problem solving skill from our students.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">On a side note<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">We are experimenting with Citrix and windows server 2012 cloud solutions at the moment to see which will extend the current functionality of our 1:1 ipad program, specifically we are looking for the Upload to website feature without the need to WebDAV.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Windows 2012 has advertised that it will integrate Dropbox and SkyDrive into its system and any student drives can be synced with their Dropbox or SkyDrive accounts.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Then using the ipad to control that cloud instance the upload would occur through the browser instance chosen.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">These cloud solutions also give students access to older flash based websites as we wait for HTML5 to be integrated into the sites.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Any way these are my Random Thoughts as we approach the weekend.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Andrew<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(23, 54, 93); ">Andrew Weir<o:p></o:p></span></b></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(23, 54, 93); ">Head Of Learning eLearning<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(0, 32, 96); ">Thomas Carr College<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span></div><div><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm; "><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; ">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:elearning-bounces@edulists.com.au" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">elearning-bounces@edulists.com.au</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[mailto:elearning-<a href="mailto:bounces@edulists.com.au" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">bounces@edulists.com.au</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Arnott, Suzanne S<br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Friday, 7 September 2012 1:07 PM<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>elearning Teachers' Mailing List<br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [elearning] Query on iPad research<o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Andrew, I think another option is one that allows students to Bring or Borrow… so if they can’t afford an appropriate device to do the job the school should have a bank which can be borrowed for longer terms. That way they are not missing the opportunities for developing skills with a range of devices which will always be useful in the workforce. With the majority of students bringing their own, you would hope the capital outlay is not prohibitive<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Suz<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span></div><div><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm; "><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; ">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:elearning-bounces@edulists.com.au" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">elearning-bounces@edulists.com.au</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:[mailto:elearning-bounces@edulists.com.au]" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">[mailto:elearning-bounces@edulists.com.au]</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Roland Gesthuizen<br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Friday, 7 September 2012 12:28 PM<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>elearning Teachers' Mailing List<br><b>Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>elearning Teachers' Mailing List<br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [elearning] Query on iPad research<o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Oddly enough I can touch type on an iPad, the autocorrect seems to fix up most of my errors (And inserts a few howlers) It took me a while to learn to train my fingers to not wander. By contrast I use the text dictation of Dragon or Siri to record larger slabs of text by just talking to my device. Have done both here using just these tools, perhaps to prove a point ;-)<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Of course I can do better with a desktop, or laptop, but not dressed in full Medieval costume in a corner of our fair learning-centre castle or outside testing trebuchet models we built in science (as I am)<br><br>Sent from yea olde iScroll<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><br>On 07/09/2012, at 11:17 AM, Andrew Shortell <<a href="mailto:shortell@get2me.net" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">shortell@get2me.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt; "><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">just as an aside<o:p></o:p></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">i find it easy to use touch typing on ipad when it is in landscape mode - in portrait mode my fingers are just too fat!<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">I asked my year 12 class and my unit 2 classes about iPads in vce<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">vast majority were in favour of BYOD - a few queried the problems for people who could not afford a D -- general consensus was hang on to their iPad from 7-10 or 7-9<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">They all felt that iPads were good for 7-9 (even though they had not had them in 7-9) but preferred a machine with more grunt in 11 & 12 ...!!<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Most want eBooks but a few prefer the concept of using dead trees not electronic.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Andrew<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div><div><div><div><div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; ">Andrew Shortell<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; ">Educator<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; ">CRC Melton<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; "> </span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; "> </span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; "><a href="mailto:shortell@get2me.net" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">shortell@get2me.net</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>(This List)<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; ">@acsbear8 (twitter)<o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; ">VITTA CoM Member<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; "> </span></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div><div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">On 07/09/2012, at 11:11 AM, Antoinette Siarabalos <<a href="mailto:asiara@bigpond.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">asiara@bigpond.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">This is a very timely discussion now happing at my school, Emmaus college. So I appreciate everyone's thoughts here and agree with the advantages of having such a mobile device in 7-9. However, there are challenges with creation of many tasks with the iPad. I don't like the 2 finger typing situation on iPad when I am a touch typist. Let's face it there are still tasks that are better suited to laptops or desktops. So I guess my question is if schools are now going in the direction of iPads , what planning is there for high end creation tasks? Upgrading labs, laptop trolleys?<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>Granted they may not be used as often but they will still be needed. This comment is obviously not directed to schools that have laptop programs in place.<br>Also of you had written a strategic plan for ict 2 years, my guess is, it would now be obsolete.<br>Interesting times ahead for all in this never ending changing landscape.<br>Regards,<br>Antoinette<br><br><br>Thank you<br>Antoinette Siarabalos<br>Sent from my iPhone<br><br>On 06/09/2012, at 5:23 PM, Roland Gesthuizen <<a href="mailto:rgesthuizen@gmail.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">rgesthuizen@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">I recall Richard Olson during an Edtech Crew podcast noted that we<br>need to be keenly aware that student needs will eventually shift<br>towards more powerful devices. My thinking was that by VCE some would<br>eventually decide to use more powerful laptops. Each could pick what<br>would best suits their study, needs or budget .. or perhaps to not<br>pick one. I can imagine that many could still rely on their old junior<br>school iPad (or smart phone) for mLearning, personal organisation and<br>reading etc. I like how this NZ school is handling it. There are<br>others I can dig up and share if you like.<br> <a href="http://www.kristin.school.nz/web/portal/ict-services/digital-learning-programmes" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.kristin.school.nz/web/portal/ict-services/digital-learning-programmes</a><br><br>If we accept that different streams of students at the senior levels<br>will have different needs, we should not try to resolve this with a<br>single package to fix and accept that in the following year, we should<br>have prepared them for the digital citizenship and independence of<br>learning and working whilst away from a single corporate network.<br>Maybe the iPads presents us with the right timing and opportunity to<br>finally allow students to manage their devices and develop their<br>skills as independent and responsible learners if they eventually step<br>up to their own powerful device.<br> <a href="http://ipadeducators.ning.com/profiles/blogs/device-control" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">http://ipadeducators.ning.com/profiles/blogs/device-control</a><br><br>Regards Roland<br><br>On 5 September 2012 22:47, Kevork Krozian <<a href="mailto:kevork@edulists.com.au" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">kevork@edulists.com.au</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Hi Folks,<br><br>A typo below. 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