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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-AU link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Copy for DESTECH Teachers<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> esnet [mailto:esnet-bounces@iiate.asn.au] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Powter, Aaron D<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 2 June 2015 11:10 AM<br><b>To:</b> ESNET @ iiate<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [esnet] help 3D CAD<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Dear ESNET subscribers,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>My 2 cents on the CAD debate:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>As Technology Educators, we should preparing our students with the necessary CAD knowledge & skills required for employment or further education (TAFE / Uni). Therefore, any CAD program taught should be a full parametric software and be capable of meeting AS1100 drawing standards. Now a program that keeps coming up in this forum <b>GSU</b> and it does not meet those requirements! I invite you to do what I did when setting up a new trade training centre in the western suburbs of Melbourne. Call, visit and speak to industry (manufacturers, engineers and fabricators) and ask them. I did and not one of these use GSU! However, what they are using is Inventor, SolidWorks, Pro-Engineering, CATIA and or CREO.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Now, two arguments that I constantly hear down here from my fellow D&T colleagues are:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:38.5pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>We use GSU because it’s free and the school can’t afford a CAD software<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:38.5pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>We use GSU because the kids find it easy to use and they’re not capable of using other software<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>As for the free argument, I’m sure all ESNET’ers know that Autodesk has made their entire software line free to education institutions. If you didn’t know please click on the link supplied and see for yourself<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><a href="http://www.autodesk.com/education/free-software/academic-resource-center">http://www.autodesk.com/education/free-software/academic-resource-center</a>. Recently I was speaking to the head of I.T. at a large university in Melbourne and they were spending $80K per/year on licences. They now pay nothing. On the argument that the “kids find it easy” and this will sound controversial, but honestly who’s in charge of the learning? I’m sure students find it easier to listen to an audio book rather than picking up a novel and actually reading it for themselves. However, we still have to teach kids how to read. I agree, teaching CAD is hard work. You need to teach the fundamentals <i>(work planes, sketches and features)</i> and the students need to understand and apply “Design Intent”. I was originally trained in Pro-Desktop at Griffith-Uni back in 2002. However, in 2013 I made the decision to purchase and teach SolidWorks. Now I’m pushing 50 and I’m becoming a crusty old son of B! But I’d like ask to the following question in regards to GSU, “is it actually the students that find it easy or is it the classroom teacher”? Hey, I could have kept using Pro-D because it was easy and I knew it inside and out, but this wasn’t the best decision for my students’ education.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>In closing, if your school uses Mac instead of PC that’s fine. Download Fustion360 and use that, I do at home on my MacBook-Pro . Fusion360 also has integrated CAM that you can use to post-process to your CNC milling machines, you can even export files that actually work in your 3D printer (no plugins required). Take a look at Autodesk Pier-9 R&D centre <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kO1GKQ2dKck">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kO1GKQ2dKck</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>All the best.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Aaron<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Mr. Aaron Powter </span><i><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>(Cert IV Trainer, Adv.Dip.E, B.Tech-Ed)</span></i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> Trade Training Centre Manager<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> Engineering Faculty Leader<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'><img border=0 width=172 height=47 id="Picture_x0020_6" src="cid:image001.jpg@01D09D24.52975FA0" alt="Description: Description: HTC_logo_email signature.jpg"></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span></i><b><i><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#5F5F5F'>“More focused, more effective, more relevant “<o:p></o:p></span></i></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> Address: 76 Suffolk Road, Sunshine North, Victoria 3020<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> Mailing Address: PO Box 165 Sunshine, Victoria 3020<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> College: 03 8311 5510<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> Facsimile: 03 8311 5544<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> Email: <a href="mailto:powter.aaron.d@edumail.vic.gov.au">powter.aaron.d@edumail.vic.gov.au</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> Website: <a href="http://www.harvestercollege.vic.edu.au">www.harvestercollege.vic.edu.au</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> YouTube: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/user/DCTTeacher1">http://www.youtube.com/user/DCTTeacher1</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> esnet [<a href="mailto:esnet-bounces@iiate.asn.au">mailto:esnet-bounces@iiate.asn.au</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Gillespie, Neil<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 2 June 2015 8:28 AM<br><b>To:</b> ESNET @ iiate<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [esnet] help 3D CAD<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>Astrid<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>At Monaro High School we preach from the same pulpit with using Google Sketch Up for all CAD in all Stages. Cant beat it I reckon. Find the others too complicated and too hard for students (i.e. CREO etc.)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>We have just purchased a 3 D printer as well. How do you find printing to 3 D printing using Google Sketch Up ( with patches etc.) Easy? We are about to start this journey of investigation. Any advice would be appreciated.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>Now back to minus 7<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>Cheers <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>Neil Gillespie<br>Head Teacher TAS/VET<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id=divRpF404235><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'><hr size=2 width="100%" align=center></span></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> esnet [esnet-bounces@iiate.asn.au] On Behalf Of John Perdriau [theperds@bigpond.com]<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 2 June 2015 8:00 AM<br><b>To:</b> ESNET @ iiate<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [esnet] help 3D CAD<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>You can't beat Trimble SketchUp<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>Cheers<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>Astrid<br><br>Sent from my iPad<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'><br>On 1 Jun 2015, at 11:54 pm, David Slade <<a href="mailto:davidgrant607@gmail.com">davidgrant607@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>Try fusion.<br><br>On Monday, June 1, 2015, Warwick Garred <<a href="mailto:Warwick.Garred@spcc.nsw.edu.au">Warwick.Garred@spcc.nsw.edu.au</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Good evening all.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>I have been using Solid edge for the last 5 – 6 years and love the software. I have changed schools and I am struggling to find and alternative as my new school is entirely Mac based. Does anybody have any suggestions on a good Mac based alternative for solid edge.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>-- <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Gill Sans MT";color:#943634'>Warwick Garred</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Gill Sans MT";color:#943634'>TAS Teacher</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Gill Sans MT";color:black'>St Philip’s Christian College Cessnock</span></b><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Gill Sans MT";color:#923432'><br></span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Gill Sans MT";color:black'>10 Lomas Lane, Nulkaba NSW 2325<br>PO Box 833, Cessnock NSW 2325<br>p: 02 4007 5000 f: 02 4007 5099</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></body></html>