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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;color:navy'>Thanks Chris – what a hive of information you are and
a great help.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Calligraphy";color:navy'>Bev
Tewkesbury</span></font></b></strong><font color=navy><span style='color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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style='color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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w:st="on">Heights</st1:PlaceType> <st1:PlaceType w:st="on">College</st1:PlaceType></span></font></st1:place><font
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US
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busmanagers-bounces@edulists.com.au
[mailto:busmanagers-bounces@edulists.com.au] <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On
Behalf Of </span></b>Towers, Chris G<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, 3 May 2006 4:36
PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Business
Managers' Mailing List</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [Busmanagers] TEACHER
SALARY</span></font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Verdana><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:blue'>Rosemary, Helen & Bev<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Verdana><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:blue'>Department policy concerning
commencement salary determination for teachers is available on the following
link <a href="http://www.eduweb.vic.gov.au/hrweb/employcond/salary/comsalTS.htm">http://www.eduweb.vic.gov.au/hrweb/employcond/salary/comsalTS.htm</a>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Verdana><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:blue'>The commencement salary calculator
mentioned by Helen is available from the page too.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Verdana><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Verdana><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:blue'>The policy says that principals are
responsible for determining the commencement salary for a teacher where they
have prior service with another Victorian or interstate school (government or
non-government schools) but where the service is from overseas then advice is
to be sought from Schools HR Services (where Melissa works). Obviously
where the principal requires assistance advice and assistance can be sought
from Schools HR><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Verdana><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:blue'>The commencement calculator allows the
details of a persons prior service that should be provided on certified
documents, to be entered into a spreadsheet in a systematic way. The end
result will be a determination of the commencement salary details that would
then be included in their offer of employment and entered on HRMS.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Verdana><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Verdana><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:blue'>The commencement salary determination
must be done EVERY time that a teacher commences employment, which means that
if the teacher ceases one contract today and starts another tomorrow, even in
the same school, the calculation MUST be done again. This probably sounds
like a lot of potentially extra work, however it is necessary and with a bit of
planning/forethought not too much extra work either.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Verdana><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:blue'>My recommendation is that every fixed
term classroom teacher and any new teacher with previous experience should have
their own version of the commencement salary calculator with their service
details included. The first time around preferably the teacher enters
their own details, or the school does. If the teacher does, then
obviously this needs to be checked by the school against the evidence provided
(as stated above). At the end of each period of employment, only the
details of that period will need to be entered. If the teacher goes to a
new school, then the teacher should provide the schools with their version,
which should again be checked/confirmed. If the teacher goes to an
independent school, then back to a government school, then they enter their
additional service which would again be checked. In most cases where
employment is continuous the ‘new’ salary will the same as the old
one, but sometimes it will not be.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Verdana><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:blue'>To my mind, if this was done then the
workload is easier for schools, data doesn’t need to be re-entered all
the time and for the teacher there should be much more certainty that they are
being paid correctly.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Verdana><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=1 color=navy face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:navy;font-weight:bold'>Chris
Towers</span></font></b><font size=1 color=navy face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:navy'> <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Assistant Manager, Communication &
Support</span></b> <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Corporate Systems</span></b> <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Corporate Services Division</span></b> <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Department of Education and Training
(Victoria)</span></b></span></font><font size=1 color=navy><span
style='font-size:7.5pt;color:navy'> <br>
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font-style:italic'>___________________________________________________________________
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color:navy'>.</span></font><b><font size=1 color=navy><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:8.0pt;color:navy;font-weight:bold'>Address:</span></font></b><i><font
size=1 color=navy><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:8.0pt;color:navy;
font-style:italic'> Third Floor, 2 Treasury Place, East Melbourne
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size=1 color=navy><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:8.0pt;color:navy;
font-weight:bold'>Phone: </span></font></b><i><font size=1 color=navy><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:8.0pt;color:navy;font-style:italic'>+ 61 3 9637
3648</span></font></i><font size=1 color=navy><span lang=EN-US
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<i><span style='font-style:italic'>+ 613 9637 2636</span></i></span></font><i><font
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font-weight:bold'>Email:</span></font></b><font size=1 color=navy><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:8.0pt;color:navy'> </span></font><u><font
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
busmanagers-bounces@edulists.com.au [mailto:busmanagers-bounces@edulists.com.au]
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b><st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName
w:st="on">Pembroke</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Secondary</st1:PlaceName>
<st1:PlaceType w:st="on">College</st1:PlaceType></st1:place> - Senior Campus<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, 3 May 2006 9:15
AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> busmanagers@edulists.com.au<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [Busmanagers] TEACHER
SALARY</span></font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>Hi Everyone,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>I am about to employ a teacher for a 6 month fixed
term vacancy who has previously taught in the Private System.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>She has been teaching for 10 years with some time off
on family leave etc.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>Can anyone tell me what salary I should start her on.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><b><font size=2
face="Lucida Calligraphy"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Calligraphy";
font-weight:bold'>Rosemary Tyrrell<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><b><font size=2
face="Lucida Calligraphy"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Calligraphy";
font-weight:bold'>Administration Manager</span></font></b><font
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName
w:st="on"><b><font size=2 face="Lucida Calligraphy"><span style='font-size:
11.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Calligraphy";font-weight:bold'>Pembroke</span></font></b></st1:PlaceName><b><font
face="Lucida Calligraphy"><span style='font-family:"Lucida Calligraphy";
font-weight:bold'> <st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Secondary</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType
w:st="on">College</st1:PlaceType></span></font></b></st1:place><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><b><font size=2
face="Lucida Calligraphy"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Calligraphy";
font-weight:bold'>9724 3005</span></font></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><b><font size=2
face="Lucida Calligraphy"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Calligraphy";
font-weight:bold'>tyrrell.rosemary.j@edumail.vic.gov.au<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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